Talk:3HO

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the 3HO article.
Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Ask questions, get answers. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject.	Be polite Assume good faith No personal attacks Be welcoming	Article policies No original research Neutral point of view Verifiability

	Sikhism Portal This article is part of WikiProject Sikhism, an attempt to promote better coordination, content distribution, and cross-referencing between pages dealing with Sikhism. Please participate by editing the article 3HO, or visit the project page for more details on the projects. Guidelines: Manual of Style - Naming conventions
Stub	This article has been rated as Stub-Class on the Project's quality scale. (If you rated the article please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)

[edit] Bias and NPOV

The content of this page sounds like it was taken directly from a 3HO brochure - it is clearly biased, or at a minimum, one-sided. I will mark it as such.

A simple Google search for "3HO" reveals that this group is considered by many to be a dangerous cult. See the following links for more information about this perspective: http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/h/3ho/ http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/66.html?1101310715 http://www.rickross.com/groups/3ho.html

If the original author, or any other contributor, makes changes to fix this article, great. Otherwise, I'll edit once I've had a chance to do some proper research. --205.156.188.254 18:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't know much about 3HO but I don't see the problem with the current article. It's a stub (i.e. it contains very little information) but there is nothing biased about the information contained within. It might not contain information about the controversies, but the article itself isn't biased. I'll remove the tag for now. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 19:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Reprinting a controversial organisations claims about itself without mentioning it's detractors *is* unbalanced and dangerous. Sukh is clearly wrong on this one - the information presented in the stub may have been factual accurate but is presented with a biassed 'spin', and besides, omission of the detracors opinions is bias through absence of dissent.

In my edit, I tried to address the difference between 3HO and Sikh Dharma as organizations, given that 3HO does present itself as not directly associated with Sikhi. I did not do as well of a job as I would have liked, but maybe someone else can expand upon that. I also added a little to the cult section so it looks less like a "jab" and more like serious criticism. Sources added as appropriate - I used the footnote style because it appeared to be in use in the Sikhism main article. Lastly I changed the description of Yogi Bhajan, since the main page is more appropriate for his names and titles, and instead described him as founder of 3HO. I hope to keep working on this article over time, but this is all I had the chance to do for now and I wanted to make sure that I was going in the right direction. Harsimrankaur 19:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone removed any reference to it being a new religious movement. Whether you agree with the "cult" accusation or not, I believe it should be included somewhere, possibly in a criticism section? I'm going to work on this. P.S. If you disagree with something, talk it out... Harsimrankaur 00:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I am reverting and then editing. Folks, criticism is valid, as is praise. If all references to criticism are removed, I can't say that the article has NPOV. I did notice one unsourced bit from before that is harsh criticism and will move it around and/or possibly remove it if I don't find a source. If you have an issue, please put it on this page. I want to keep this article neutral and informative. Harsimrankaur (talk) 17:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I ended up deleting the controversial portion about the SSS title altogether, as it belongs on the Yogi Bhajan page, not on this one, since in every reference I could find, the title was not bestowed upon him by 3HO. Thanks for your patience. Harsimrankaur (talk) 17:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Further Reading Section

I feel the "further reading" section might be better placed below the "detractors" section, so that Internet resources on both sides of the issue are kept together. What do you think? I'm going to wait a couple weeks for input before making any changes there. Thanks for your input! Harsimrankaur (talk) 09:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Upon further consideration, I believe a German-language book does not fit well in the English version of Wikipedia. I also noticed that Alma Mater Studiorum spammed other articles with the same information. If the book is later translated into English, it will likely be an excellent addition to any further reading section relating to Kundalini Yoga, Yogi Bhajan, and 3HO, but until then it would be better included on a German-language article on 3HO. 71.107.132.78 (talk) 02:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)