Talk:2 Esdras
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Is is accepted that in the first para "sect" is the appropriate term?
Portress 23:58, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
203.32.87.174 08:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC) It didn't make much sense to me that the 1 Esdras Article was according to the Septuagint, 2 Esdras was according to the Protestants, 3 Esdras & 4 Esdras was according to Jerome. So I organized them somewhat according to who had the oldest claim to the name (except Jerome has to cede 3 Esdras to the LXX name of 1 Esdras), leaving 3 Esdras to the Russians. And of course it's all sorted out in the Esdras article. Not everyone is going to be pleased but at least it's more consistent now, even if a bit Orthodox centric.
203.32.87.174 13:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC) The reference to Russian Orthodoxy was more in reference to 3 Esdras. For 2 Esdras, the Eastern Orthodox title is the ORIGINAL LXX title dating back 2000 years of constant practice. (How does 2000 years of "consensus" grab you?)
And I redirected ALL the different interpretations of "2 Esdras" off to the other approprate locations, instead of the previous misleading article, which is totally at odds with history. The idea that "2 Esdras" refers to the apocolypse of Esra is a 1500 years younger idea.
203.32.87.174 23:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC) Ok well there is a need to at least redirect people to the other uses of 2 Esdras, not just give alternative names for the book under discussion, and I am making that change.
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But I have been opposing this change and continue to oppose it, and will continue to oppose it. I think you need to learn a bit about the way wikipedia "works". It operates by consensus on things like this, not by single-handedly running roughshod over it. When you have consensus of the previous editors, you may move. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 00:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
203.32.87.174 02:40, 7 October 2006 (UTC) See discussion on 3 Esdras re merging.
[edit] Text Dump from Jewish Encyclopedia
The following may be useful:
- David A. deSilva writes: "One important textual problem concerns the omision of 7:36-105 (as enumerated in NRSV and TEV) in the Vulgate manuscripts. It has been suggested that this omission may be due to the impression given in the last of these verses that prayers on behalf of the dead are prohibited (see Longenecker 1995: 111). Indeed, the passage was used to oppose the practice in the early church, and one could readily see how it would have been advantageous to excise the passage. Nevertheless, if doctrinal censorship did stand behind the omission, then it would have been necessary also to excise 7:106-15, which remains in the Vulgate. Moreover, the text itself speaks not of prayers on behalf of the dead but intercession on the day of judgment. . . . It is more likely that the omission was accidental. Johann Gildemeister found a ninth-century Vulgate codex with the stub of a page that had been torn out. The missing text corresponded exactly with 7:36-105. Gildemeister concluded that the other Latin manuscripts of 4 Ezra lacking this passage were dependent on this particular codex (Stone 1990: 3-4). The theory of accidental omission is further strengthened by the randomness of the boundaries of the omission, interrupting a perfectly unobjectionable paragraph at 7:35 and omitting only half of the potentially objectionable discussion of intercession on behalf of those facing the judgment. These verses were not available to the translators of the KJV, for example, but had been restored to the text of 2 Esdras in several German translations from the eighteenth century (Bensly 1895) and have appeared in English translations ever since." (Introducing the Apocrypha, pp. 329-330)
Rwflammang 00:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ethiopian Orthodox Bible
An anonymous editor has mentioned an Ethiopian Orthodox Bible. What edition is this Bible exactly? Do you have an ISBN? Some other reference, perhaps? Rwflammang (talk) 17:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Some interesting links may provide some references: [1] [2]. Rwflammang (talk) 18:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually 2 Esdras is not in the Ethiopian canon, but the Apocalypse of Ezra is which is 4 Esdras or 2 Esdras 3-14. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.76.88.83 (talk) 18:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
