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[edit] March 2007

Please do not add unhelpful and non-constructive information to Wikipedia, as you did to Borat. Your edits could be considered vandalism, and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Gwernol 12:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: Borat. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Gwernol 12:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


-- Why would an entry adding to the sub-heading of Borat's anti-semitic slurs regarding his slanderous joke that the 'Jews Did 9/11' be a case of Wiki Vandalism? The sub-heading section makes no mention of this case of "Denigration of Jews" and yet clearly qualifies for an entry in that place. Rather than edit my entry, refine my entry, you have totally removed it and remains no mention again to Borat's 9/11 reference. It would seem to me that it is you who is the Wiki vandal. Do you not want people to recall that Borat believes the jews were responsible for 9/11?

Below I have pasted my full entry added to the subheading "Denigration of Jews" which you have twice removed. "Unhelpful and non-constructive" is all you need to claim to assassinate my work? Are you going to deny that Borat says in his film that his friend "insists we not fly in case the jews repeated their attack of 9/11"? Are you going to sustain that this is "unhelpful and non-constructive information", a vacuous and deceitful attack on my entry? Now Gwernol I will investigate you and your revertion histories and petition to ahve you banned for Wiki Vandalism or what would better be described as Wiki Terrorism. Everybody knows that the founder of Wiki abandoned it finally because of the zionist mafia revertion trolls.

MY ENTRY AS PASTED:

Another Borat anti-semitic or anti-zionist scene involves his decision to avoid flying while in America. Borat says that his collegue "insists we not fly in case the jews repeated their attack of 9/11". This comment follows immediately after a Pearl Harbour reference. While this may seem simply another anti-semitic slur, it is however supported by much evidence to be a true account of 9/11 and one should, rather than feed on "dumb conformity" - to borrow the words of Baron Cohen himself - investigate these notions further. Both the Official version of 9/11 and the false-flag version of 9/11 infer such allegation of Israel complicity. According to the 9/11 Commission and even Osama Bin Ladin's alleged words himself [1], the attacks of 9/11 were motivated by US policy on Israel. You can see the actual 9/11 Commission video testimony here [2] for which all references were omitted from the final report. Alternatively, according to the 9/11 attacks being a false-flag black-op carried out by Mossad and pro-zionist agency within American Congress and US Military, again the Israel connection is patent. [3] [4]

What on earth are you talking about? The notion that I am a "Zionist disinformation agent" is laughable nonsense. You do understand that Borat is a fictional character, right? He's a satire? He says those things precisely because no rational person would believe them. Its satire. Please tell me you understand that. Anyway, if you continue to add this nonsense to the Borat article or any other, you will be blocked. Wikipedia is not a venue for your crank theories about 9/11. If you continue to insult other editors, you will be blocked. Gwernol 20:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


Reply to Gwernol 20:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

Of course I understand that Borat is a fictional character! Are you doing a [strawman] attack on my argument? And its a fact that the jewish lobbies in America and Israel are concerned of growing international suspician that Israel was involved in 9/11. Look you may posit that "no rational person" would beleive those things - thats your opinion. But its a clear case of "Denigration of Jews" if, as according to you, no rational person would believe those things. So which is it to be then? If its not a clear case of Denigration of Jews then are you saying that the jews were behind the 9/11 attacks? Clearly you are contradicting yourself and you have wrongly accused me of Wiki Vandalism.


I guess the intelligence committee of the 9/11 Commission who advised that 9/11 attacks were carried out on America by Muslim's because of America's Israeli policy are "no rational person(s)". I guess that Osama who allegedly said that he did the attacks because of Israel's bombing of Lebanon is "no rational person" and I guess that 60% of Muslims world-wide who believe that Israel were behind 9/11 is an indication of how "no rational person" will likely be found in the Muslim community of 1.5 billion human beings.

But sure, if we are to agree with you, that "no rational person" would believe those things, then my entry of record of Borat making a statement that is a case of "Denigration of Jews", that said instance in his film being Borat's statement that his collegue "insists we not fly in case the jews repeated their attack of 9/11" is entirely appropriate.

That I should point out to you that Borat makes a very subtle Pearl Harbour reference preceding that 9/11 statement, and that Pearl Harbour is known to be another suspected case of false-flag terrorism but more precisely a direct reference in the context of 9/11 to the [PNAC] and David Ray Griffin's book "The New Pearl Harbour" would risk getting too in depth. That I think Baron Cohen is a closet anti-zionist progressive orthodox jewish activist who uses his Satire to that object I guess would be far too indepth analysis for anything related to the jews on Wiki. God forbid Wiki is ever seen as a reliable source of information on Israel related topics.

I can concede that the later information of my paragraph regarding 9/11 Commission video recorded testimony and other citations of Israel complicity and also my careful caveat of distinguishing anti-semtism from anti-zionism may be debated as superfluous to entry. But to remove the entire entry like you have is, I posit, a case of Wiki Vandalism. Yes, it is you who is Vandalising.

Do you suspect that Borat never said such a thing in his Movie Film? Is that why you accuse me of Wiki Vandalism? Have you even seen the movie?

Now I have put the entry back but edited it to what I imagine would suit your pro-Zionist fantacies. But people should know that Borat indeed says in the film that his collegue "insists we not fly in case the jews repeated their attack of 9/11" My entry is entirely in tune with the already extant entires in that sub-section regarding cases of anti-semitic slurs in the film, ESPECIALLY according to your rationalism.

Okay, since this is hard, let's do it step by step. Borat says "insists we not fly in case the jews repeated their attack of 9/11". The Jews/Israel did not commit the attacks of 9/11. No rational person can believe that Israel was behind the 9/11 attack. The 9/11 commission video does not claim that Israel was behind the 9/11 attack. Sacha Baron Cohen is not denigrating Jews, he is satirizing those who irrationally believe that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks.
The most recent addition to the Borat article you made is factual, so it can stay. The rest of the conspiracy-theory stuff stays out. That's fine. Finally I am neither Jewish nor a "Zionist disinformation agent". Your paranoia makes you look foolish and stops rational people hearing whatever case it is you are trying to make. Gwernol 21:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


"Your parnaoia makes you look foolish" - But you make your rational decisions based on the information available to you. For example if you read about www.giyus.org - the website and the criticisms of it, then you would know that Israel has a state-sponsored 100,000 strong cyberarmy who's shameless objective is to subvert opinion polls and forums. Now that you know about www.giyus.org is it so paranoid for me to consider your initial deletion and unfounded criticism a suspect Zionist disagent operation?

The 9/11 commission video shows that the motivation for the attacks on 9/11 was America's Israel policy and that this revelation was censored and omitted from the final report. It also shows that G.W. Bush's assertions that "They hate us because we are a beacon of freedom" is not founded in fact. But alas perhaps we can leave that out here. Perhaps I can write another wiki entry which I will link to regarding the 9/11 attacks being a Mossad false-flag operation.

Its also a fact that 60% of Muslims worldwide in both majority and minority countries believe that Mossad and American pro-Zionist traitors carried out the attacks. So unless Wiki is strictly a western zionist encyclopedia it seems your position on 9/11 is in the minority. I go further to remind you that 37% of Americans, and over 50% of New Yorkers believe that 9/11 was an inside job. None the less I will settle for what you have settled on the wiki entry for Borat and his comments regarding 9/11. That is reasonable and equitable compromise.

I would suggest however that you consider Cohen is an anti-zionist. His high-brow excuses of satarical intent are not manifest in the mainstream audiences his Borat character gets seen by. Most viewers would never view secondary critiques and this is why you can see the high level of criticism and litigation he is subject to for this work. Most Progressive American Jews are anti-zionists, considering Israel akin to Hitler's Nazi Germany - Jeruselum Post [5]

Finally, I very much doubt, in all "dumb conformity" of your views regarding 9/11 that you have ever read David Ray Griffin's article titled Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories [6]. I would challenge you to rationalise that!!! PS: It seems you have to grab my citation links from the Edit page - they don't link from the face page. Sorry I'm newbie to Wiki protocols.

[edit] Nuremberg

When Bush and Blair are put on trial for their war crimes, Wikipedia will undoubtedly have articles devoted to those trials. In the meantime, please do not add speculation about future events to articles on actual historical events. Thankyou. Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 09:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


Wikipedia Talk and Revocation Wars may even be used to identify people to be charged for those trials!