Talk:2001 insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia

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As a direct participant in the Macedonian crises I want to add something about the number of casualities. Somewhat the oficial numbers you have are not quite true. there were about 90 macedonian etnic casualitie, a great percent of them were from the armed force. On the other side there were about 5000-7000 etnic albanian casualities. You see, the NLA was very succesfull in hiding there casualities. You can check this by simply checking how many new grave were during the crisis in the towns of Tetovo and Kumanovo, and the villages surroundg them.

if you provide sources, those statements will be added.--TheFEARgod (Ч) 17:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] aka

for anonimous users, please avoid using the frase "aka" as it is unencyclopedic and not suitable for this project. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 12:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, aka is same as or, but the idea is same, also what about the nla casualties, how many did they bury, any good sources? This user obviously lives in the "lalaland",coming up with such a huge number of casualties?????What does he think this is?A basketball match to see who killed more people??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uckforever (talk • contribs) 04:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FYROM

The official UN name of the country is Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia, i.e. FYROM. In an article describing attrocities, please be so kind as not to create misunderstandings regarding their location, especially considering that the `true Macedonia', an excellent and very touristic place in Greece, where also many Albanians live and work, had absolutely nothing to do with these conflicts. It is unencyclopaedic to refer to countries without their proper UN name.

The UN uses "FYROM" because of Greece's problems with the name Macedonia; its use is temporary. "FYROM" is not an official name for the country outside the UN, and its use by other countries is a clear sign of their position on the issue (such as it is with Australia). Saying stuff like "true Macedonia" visibly exposes your real motive behind using "FYROM" in the article. The country's constitution uses the name "Republic of Macedonia", and it has been recognized by most of the world under this name. The name stays, sorry. --AimLook 11:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civil war

It was never called by that way. It was always regarded as "on the brink of it". AKA removed again please use also known as form --TheFEARgod (Ч) 22:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I am no longer including civil war,(due to popular opininon, i still disagree though) except rewording, so watch out for this page, certain people do not know how to act. THey think they owe the whol damn wiki. The article should be called macedonian, this is bad english grammar, since the war belongs to whom, to macedonia, one word and these idiots on wiki consider this something wrong when in fact they are. Ok, check this out... Mac·e·do·nian
Pronunciation: "ma-s&-'dO-ny&n, -nE-&n
Function: indirect noun

Mac·e·do·nia
Pronunciation: "ma-s&-'dO-nE-&, -ny&
Function: geographical name

As you can see, there is a huge difference, and i dare you, tell me i am wrong, you can not, you don't have a face to show. I know a little about balkans, i spent 2 years in croaita too.

[edit] Boskovski=

If somebody knows more info on this dude, let's expand the article. I wonder what was the outcome.

[edit] massive gap

is there anyway to remvoe that huge gap under the lead? SGGH speak! 18:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 11:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NATO

I never heard they fired a shot and sided with the Macedonians. They came AFTER the war to collect weapons. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 13:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Insurgency

Most sources call it that way. See also Insurgency in Aceh, Insurgency in Saudi Arabia etc..--TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Change Title

The title should be Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia (2001) Politis (talk) 18:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Could you please explain why? As far as I understand neither general WP rules nor Macedonia-related conventions require us to make such a move. I may be mistaken but I want to hear some arguments. Alæxis¿question? 19:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Macedonia is a region that was loosely defined in the early 20th century and it has seen much conflict. There is a 'Macedonia' in Greece, but also in Bulgaria and a bit in Albania. Therefore, 'Macedonia' in the title referring to the region. But, the insurgency only took place within the borders of the Republic of Macedonia (also known as FYROM). It seems reasonable that this should be reflected in the title.Politis (talk) 14:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Read the previous discussions before bringing up this stupid suggestion again. Köbra Könverse 08:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Macedonia-related articles), it was agreed that, regarding the “Naming of articles and templates relating to the Republic of Macedonia”, then we must use “Republic of Macedonia”. The article refers to the civil war in the ROM. You could suggest ‘FYROM’, if you like. Politis (talk) 13:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, this is 'proposed' guideline... I don't have much against the new title but I'm fine with the old name as well - there was no insurgency in 2001 in Greek or Bulgarian Macedonia. Alæxis¿question? 15:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned, all the external links, including the BBC, refer to the country as Macedonia. Köbra Könverse 07:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The argument stands. The BBC also refers to 'FYR Macedonia', I am simply referring to our agreed format, this means that the article should be Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia (2001).Politis (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

This is not an *agreed* format but a proposed one. Alæxis¿question? 07:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but "Republic of Macedonia" is the country's "established name" on Wikipedia, and the first mention should be to such. Plain "Macedonia" can be used after the country has already been introduced as the "Republic of Macedonia" and no further disambiguation is required. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 12:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Jesus, cry me a friggin' river. Köbra Könverse 14:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The only other options would be 2001 Republic of Macedonia insurgency, 2001 Albanian insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia, or 2001 Republic of Macedonia conflict. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 14:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

We agreed on a format to avoid friction and get on with information. If anyone like Kobra85 has bonafide objections against the name 'Republic of Macedonia', this is not the place to display. I go along with Kekrops and we should start changig the title. Politis (talk) 15:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)