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Very comprehensive but needs references. As with all period-specific fashion histories, I have given it mid-importance. Daniel Case 17:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] merge

i think this article should be merged with the 1980's article because the fashion area there is lacking and this was hard to find

[edit] world view

I would just like to say that this corresponds to 1980s fashion around the world, not just in America. Gflores Talk 03:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I was waiting for this to come up. I'll just be forward and say that I have no idea how we should deal with this. Suggestions? Juppiter 03:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure, after doing some google searches, I couldn't find much else. I did find a few things from Europe, but not much elsewhere. I'm sure there were some fashion trends in Japan and other eastern Asian countries. I'll do some more searching tomorrow. Gflores Talk 06:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I think that what was popular in Western Europe at that time was generally the same as the US. By global, I thought you meant Africa and the Soviet Union. Because that's the hard part. Juppiter 11:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. Whatever we can find, I guess.

[edit] format

The current structure doesn't seem right to me. It separates women, early/mid/late 1980s, and men into separate sections. We can do it in a format similar to 1990s fashion or have it split into men/women. Comments? Gflores Talk 16:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Well I say we go for the 1990s format, so then we have both articles in a similar structure. I also think a men/women article would be less interesting to read. But anyhow, the current format is too specific.Forever young 16:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I've changed it now... I just moved the fashions around. Lots of organization and expansion needed. I'm also not sure if should pads should be a separate section. Gflores Talk 18:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
The new format is much better, cheers. Juppiter 18:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the pads should have their own heading, purely because the article is divided up into three eras of the decade and its just kind of random to have it as a heading. Forever young 02:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but... who the hell is Tracy? (See intro paragraph.) I mean, she sounds very helpful and all, but still. No link, no explanation; should the reader just know who is being referred to here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.229.121.229 (talk) 05:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural bias

So far this article has covered the U.K. and anglo North America pretty well. It needs balance. Other than Michael Jackson's Thriller look it says almost nothing about African-American fashion (any Jheri Curl experts out there)? How about trends in other parts of the world, such as the dramatic impact the Iranian revolution and its influence had on women's attire in some Muslim countries? Durova 02:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Almost all of these images are copyrighted and used under fair use - which I believe requires us to discuss the object in the picture not merely use it as an illustration. Can't we replace these with free use images? Rmhermen 16:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

There is one PD image, and that's fine. But all the rest are of questionable fair use. The Madonna album cover, for instance, is tagged {{albumcover}}, which says that the image should only be used in articles about the album. I think all these images are skating to close to violating the law, and should be removed. Besides, we should be able to find PD or GFDL images of 80s fashion. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 13:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
It would be best to remove all the screenshots I guess. Forever young 13:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I believe they should be kept until suitable replacements are found. I definitely hate to lose the Flashdance cover; that's the one image that I think will be difficult to replace.Juppiter 19:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fashion where

How well do the fashions described here repesent the entire world? Or do they just represent U.S./British culture? Rmhermen 16:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

There is no plot to exclude any fashion(s), but I don't know how easy it is to access all the info. Forever young 16:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
At the moment the article doesn't cover every country for 80s fashion, lots of work to be done! — Wackymacs 17:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
There's not really a way to please everyone with this "globalization" stuff; people in a lot of areas (Russia, the Middle East, South and Central America, etc.) are still wearing these clothes... so to them it could be considered centrist even to use the term "80s" fashion. You can't please everyone. Is everyone really upset that the latest 80s fashions in designer burqas aren't listed here? Kafziel 19:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

It only covers fashion in popular culture. In most countries with traditional culture, the fashion trends do not change from decade to decade to warrant mention in the decade-specific article. Naturally, we will only be interested in the first world, (with the more affluent living in the developing world looking for the developed world for inspiration). It is impossible to cover every country in the world, and it shouldnt. --Jiang 07:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

My point exactly. This article deals with the first world, because that's where fashion comes from. It's not meant to be global. So the tag should be removed from the top. Kafziel 13:23, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I question how well this covers fashion outside the U.S. For instance every photos is of an American. How popular were leg warmers in say, France or Italy? Rmhermen 00:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that even the term "popular culture" is problematic because popular culture differs in different parts of the world. Countries outside the "first" world still have popular culture. They won't be the same as that of Anglo-American countries even though some aspects may be similar. May I suggest stating at the top of the article that it represents Anglo-American popular culture only? That would obviate the need for trying to incoporate other regions' fashion trends into the article. Or rename the article to "Anglo-American 1980s fashion"? Mona-Lynn 19:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I think the title is good as is. If anyone wants to add fashions particular to the 1980s from other countries, they can feel free. If anyone is offended by a lack of content about a specific place, I would refer them to template:sofixit. We don't need to ruin the article by trying to make it too politically correct. That's not what Wikipedia is about. Besides, making the title too specific shuts out the possibility of adding other countries' information later.
The fact is, most countries either get their fads from the west (t-shirts, sneakers, jeans, accessories) or simply don't get caught up in fads at all (at least not often enough to be redefined several times per decade). If there are exceptions to that, then the information can be added by anyone who wants to do so. Kafziel 20:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Should this article be at "1980s in fashion" or "1980s fashion"? see the variations at History of Western fashion. --Jiang 06:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Miami Vice

Miami Vice states that "[The] show had a huge influence on (men's) fashion at the time, arguably inventing the "white T-shirt under Armani jacket"-style. Pastel colors dominated the series in clothes (...)." Perhaps someone can work that into the article.

  • Made note of it in mid 1980s Forever young 12:19, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What links here:

You know what I've found? I love articles like this. But then, they're so isolated. The 'what links here' section shows mostly User and User talk pages. Along with reforming an article should come linkage of the article in other articles where it is deemed to now be effective. Neh?

Lockeownzj00 03:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Body scarification

Tattooing, piercing and body scarification began to enter the mainstream.

Tattoing and piercing yes, but has "body scarification" ever been remotely mainstream? Perhaps teen girls cutting themselves became more widespread as this entered the public consciousness, but this is just a form of self-harm and is regarded as pathological even if not uncommon. It seems to me that ornamental scarification has always been more on the fringes of BME, which has never been "mainstream," at least in the West. NTK 17:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Found this source at National Geographic:

In the U.S., scarification emerged in San Francisco as part of a new body-modification movement in the mid-1980s. It was originally embraced by gay and lesbian subcultures, said Victoria Pitts, professor of sociology at the City University of New York in New York City.
But by the early 1990s, members of a neotribal, or "modern primitive," movement began using scarification. "That movement was interested in reviving or reenacting indigenous body rituals from around the world—trying to get in touch with a more authentic or spiritual experience of the body," Pitts said.

I am taking scarification out. If someone wants to rework it into the article as a fringe fashion, go ahead. But it is clearly out of the mainstream. NTK 18:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Preppiness

How can an entry about 80's fashion not mention preppiness? Please refer to Lisa Birnbach's book from the early 80's "The Preppy Handbook." Mention something about Lacoste, pink polo shirts, Sperry docksiders with white bottoms (as worn by Tom Cruise in Risky Business), madras plaid shorts/pants, etc. Also, sailing clothing.

I totally agree. If there's any decade whose fashion trends I could discuss at length, it's the '80s, and this article makes one wonder if anybody who wrote it was actually old enough to remember them. The preppy look was huge in 1980-81, particularly if you went to a school like mine whose dress code was not so formal as to require jackets and ties but forbade jeans, T-shirts and sneakers. I wore the same beaten pair of Top-Siders all the way into 1986, long after the fad had expired.

Also, the article suggests "day-glo" colors were popular as beach and party wear around 1987. I remember them being called "neon" colors and popular long before that. And what of other trends like:

  • Capezio dance shoes. Every other girl at my high school seemed to have a pair, first in white then other colors.
  • The whole urban guerilla look. The '80s were the decade of mesh, zippered pockets and much more elaborate fastenings than necessary.
  • Skinny leather ties (think The Cars in innumerable videos). I have to think that's a direct reaction to the wide ties of the preceding decade.
  • The whole Valley Girl look. Miniskirts and the headbands.
  • Painters pants (with the little hooks on the side) and painters hats, the latter being one of the cheapest fad acessories when they were made of paper and promoted something. I actually think I had two.
  • Real embarrasments like Members Only jackets. If VH-1 can go into them, so can we. Even if we don't want to remember.
  • Also, I have rarely seen it mentioned, but the color palette of fashion, particularly womenswear, has never been so vibrant since. I have not seen women wearing colored (or for that matter, textured) stockings since like they did then ... hosiery came in just about every color. Today, red stockings look shocking ... back then they were nothing compared to yellow and pink and blue.
For one thing, I'm tagging this as unreferenced since it makes many sweeping (and mistaken) assertions with little but a few pictures to back them up. Daniel Case 17:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:The First Album.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Surf / skate / punk

Don't see any of those represented. Seemed like that was huge in the 80s where I lived (in California) and it seems it was significant beyond that region. Pretty much every cartoon and movie had a stereotypical skater, punker or surfer in the 80s. Ryratt (talk) 05:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rap Music?

Where is rap music mentioned at all? I see the header, but there's no content on it. Did it actually have a part in the 80s, or is the header a mistake? Spirit Stiff (talk) 01:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)