Talk:17th SS Panzergrenadier Division Götz von Berlichingen

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There is no town called Achensee! The Achensee is a lake! There is a town called Achenkirch near it!

80.109.134.50 21:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

To Whom It May Concern:

If you are going to cite an article, The 14th Armored Division and the Liberation of Stalag VIIA, you should use the author's name. Also, I corrected some of the errors regrading the liberation. For example, the men of CCA were not "enraged." They were good, competent soldiers who had previously liberated other POW camps including the two at Hammelburg, and just went about doing their jobs, and fulfilling their mission. Finally, the 17th SS was not "destroyed" at Moosburg.

[edit] War Crimes Refrence

Is anyone aware of which reference covers the suspected war crimes against the division by the American 42nd? Thakns in advance. NeoFreak 07:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I added the first reference to the war crimes against the 17.SS - my reference was: Gordon Williamson, Stephen Andrew - The Waffen-SS (3) : 11. to 23. Divisions ISBN 1841765910. In the book though, it does not mention the unit, only that there was definately a massacre. Nothing 'alleged', or 'suspected'. War Crimes were definately committed. Although I would like to know which unit, and how the 42nd Infantry gets the blame. I would also like to know where the History Channel gets their information, I had never read about this massacare that the 17.SS have supposedly committed until I saw the 'D-Day: The Secret Massacre' special. IMO we need outside sourcing for that as well, I dont think the History Channel is opnipitant when it comes to facts. As it stands, most of the Waffen SS divisional articles are a mess, save for the LSSAH (1.SS) page. They all need cleanup, made NPOV, and better sources. user:Pzg Ratzinger

I've edited the War Crimes section:

The History Channel reference dates back to 2005, which doesn't really qualify as "recent" any more;
The comment about the division's history being that of a combat unit rather than einsatzgruppen is rather egregious, and smacks of apologetics. The division's record can stand on its own, especially if these allegations really are unproven. Besides which, saying that the division was better than an einsatzgruppe isn't really saying much.

-- Hongooi 16:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)