Talk:The King of Comedy (1983 film)

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Contents 1 1982 or 1983 2 Addition of an external link within the article 3 (Un)reality of the end sequence? 4 External reviews 5 Fair use rationale for Image:KingOfComedyPoster.jpg 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Kingofcomedydvd.jpg

[edit] 1982 or 1983

Personally, seeing that Wikipedia is an international site, I think that the title should be The King of Comedy (1982 film). It's first release was in 82. Even if it was produced in the US, it doesn't mean that a release outside doesn't matter. What do you think? --Steinninn 15:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I personally think that it should be listed under the US release date of 1983. The reason for this is that while Wikipedia may be an international site there are other versions of it for specific regions. This version of Wikipedia is the English/US version, while the 1982 release date only applies to Iceland and there are European versions of Wikipedia available.

In addition, if this film were to be moved to 1982, everything that links to the 1983 page needs to be moved to linking to the 1982 page, which wasn't done when it was first moved. That was one of the main reasons for it being moved back to 1983. Another point is that there are dozens, perhaps hundreds, of films that have release dates in different years depending on which country you are talking about. Most of the time the "release date" is attributed to when it was released in the country of production. In this case, it was an American film which just happened to get an earlier release in Iceland in 1982. That abberation should not alter the fact that everyone (including 20th Century Fox which made the film) consider the release year to be 1983. For further proof, pick up a copy of the DVD release, which clearly shows "1983" as the release date..."1982" is listed as being the copyright date however. If you want to get even more technical, perhaps it should be listed as a "1981" film, since that is when it was filmed. Thanks! Donaldd23 22:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

No, the policies are that this is a European wikipedia just as much as it is US, and Asian and African and and and. So I still believe that the title should be (1982 film) --Steinninn 14:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Although that may be the case, to change this film to 1982, even though the distributor considers it a 1983 film, would warrant a change for every film on Wikipedia that falls under the same situation. If we look at other Jerry Lewis films for example, his "comeback" film, Hardly Working is considered a 1981 film, despite its European release in 1980 and having been filmed in 1979. Arizona Dream, which also starred Johnny Depp, is considered a 1994 film, although it received a European release in 1993 and it was filmed in 1991. These are just a few small examples, but there are hundreds. If this were to change, every film that falls unfer this situation on Wikipedia needs to change as well. To change only this one would make it inconsistent with the rest of Wikipedia's content. Donaldd23 21:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I see your point. I'll leave it as it is for now. --Steinninn ^talk 23:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Addition of an external link within the article

The external link to a poorly copied partial scan of the People magazine article has it's link in the notes section, as a reference from the section in the article which paraphrases it. However, a user continues to insert the external link within the article, making a section of that article into a highlighted external link. There is no need for two links. The correct way to add an external link is either in the reference/notes section, or in the external link section. Please do not reinsert the external link into the article. Thanks! Donaldd23 11:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I've changed it to an actual reference (publication title, date, page) rather than a link to a scan, so we don't need a link at all. I suspect it's spam anyway, because the first thing you see at the top of that link is a link to an article on another site - presumably, adding the link here will increase the search engine rankings of that external article. There's no reason why we need scans of references rather than a standard citation (notwithstanding the copyvio status of the scan), and no reason for external links unless it's to a legitimate online edition of the referenced work. Thomjakobsen 22:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] (Un)reality of the end sequence?

Writing in Film Viewer's Guide, esteemed critic David Bordwell suggests -- without coming down on one side of the argument or another -- that the (un)reality of the conclusion is a legitimate topic for debate. We know for a fact that at least one scene in the film (Rupert and Jerry in the restaurant) exists solely in Rupert's deluded mind; therefore it is surely not unreasonable to consider if others do as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.64.203.207 (talk)

Not quite sold on this theory, but I will let it stay. However I moved it to its own section as it is one critic's opinion about the film's end and not actually part of the plot. Donaldd23 00:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Admittedly it is just a theory, but it should be mentioned. (Same unsigned poster as above, writing from a different computer.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.65.99.20 (talk) 08:33, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Surely there are two scenes that definately happen in his imagination. The restaurant and the bit where Jerry praises Rupert's tape in his office? There might even be another one, I'm not sure... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.59.211 (talk) 21:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

What I find weird is that until reading this article, I thought it was obvious that the end was all in Pupkin's head. I didn't think there was even a question of it. That this is just a "theory" surprises me. Maybe I've just watched so many reality-distorting films that I'm more used to this kind of device than many other viewers. marbeh raglaim (talk) 11:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External reviews

Point the link to something like rotten tomatoes. The inclusion of just a few minor links is a bad sample....and who the hell ever heard of/reads Empire magazine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.96.160.34 (talk) 16:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It's the UK's biggest film magazine. Article: Empire (magazine) Thomjakobsen 21:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:KingOfComedyPoster.jpg

Image:KingOfComedyPoster.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Kingofcomedydvd.jpg

Image:Kingofcomedydvd.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 18:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)