Talk:List of lost United States submarines

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[edit] Defining "lost"

What's your definition of 'lost'? What about Chopper, Nathanael Greene, and Bonefish? (The links go to a very interesting external site about submarine accidents.) Also, I propose moving the memorial information to a seperate page to allow the addition of short details of the loss to each boats entry. Elde 02:48, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

My definition is not well-defined, but goes something like -- "was so badly damaged that she didn't get back to port." The NVR says that Nat Greene was "disposed of by submarine recycling" and Bonefish was "disposed of, sold ... for scrapping." (Chopper is not listed in the online NVR.) In contrast, Scorpion was "lost by storm or perils of the sea."

I certainly wouldn't be opposed to a list of submarine accidents, and I have no objection to moving the state list somewhere else or even deleting it completely. It was just an odd bit of trivia that really has no bearing on anything meaningful. --the Epopt 04:08, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

That's as good a definition as any I suspect. IIRC the term from situations like the Nat Green and Bonefish was 'constructive loss', but was still carried on the rolls as lost. I know there was at least one WWII submarine in the 'constructive loss' category. The online NVR has several errors... It lists Growler as 'SSG ex-SS' when she was 'SS ex-SSG' when she was decomissioned. Elde 08:45, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Have you checked out our articles: Chopper (SS-342), Nathanael Greene (SSBN-636), and Bonefish (SS-582)? --the Epopt 17:51, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)~

The Bonefish article needs tweaking as she was towed to PCAN after the accident, the tow to Charleston came a couple of months later. They sent around a tape about the accident including video taken onboard during the inquiry, *frightening, frightening* stuff. I don't know if has been declassified though. Elde 20:24, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Interesting, Salmon, which was a 'constructive loss' is not listed as a memorial. Elde 00:45, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

Seems like listing by date of loss would be appropriate. The existing sections give some sense of date, but not enough. The alphabetical listing could be dispensed with as the associated Category page serves that purpose. --J Clear 13:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)