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[edit] Eddies "Condition"

Yeah, i'm not asking for a trivia blurb, but what was Eddie suffering from again? Something to do with the Kidneys? --293.xx.xxx.xx 07:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes it was a kidney problem. I don't think they ever said the medical condition was called though.
Looks like renal failure, which can cause growth disorder. --Edokter (Talk) 00:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Organizing the Dinner play by play

There has got to be a better way to organize the information, it's rambling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.171.111 (talk • contribs)

Agreed. The official episode recap is available at http://www.fox.com/hellskitchen/recaps/301.htm if you would like to rework the article. Please feel free! --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 01:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the episode recaps from the Top Chef articles have a workable format that would be useful here. Wl219 06:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the Progress Table

As a faithful Hell's Kitchen fan, and a Wikipedian, I would like to see a little more consolidation between all the progress tables for the last two Hell's Kitchen seasons. I think that the arrangement of this article's progress table is satisfactory and easy to understand, and makes looking at the other past two tables far too complex and non-uniform. For instance, in the table for season 2, none of the competing chefs are in the order of their respective teams. Dark Observer 21:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to work on that tonight. While I didn't create any of the tables (heck, I wasn't even a Wikipedian until a few months ago), I can at least help bring some continuity across the three seasons. Windmillninja 00:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I just have to laugh at the person who was filling out the table prematurely tonight since they were completely wrong on Aaron getting kicked out since he wasn't even nominated.
I disagree with you... I think we should cut out the winning team and losing team colors. I had a real hard time looking at it... 130.13.114.251 02:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering if it's best to use the black boxes for contestants no longer in the competition because: (a) there is always the improbable however slightly possibility (especially in game shows these days) that a contestant might return, (b) any empty space following a red box should imply that the chef is no longer competing, (c) black is not aesthetically pleasing when placed next to the other colors, and (d) adding another color component seems superfluous for someone trying to analyze the chart. AISept8 07:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)AISept8
I've modified the table here to represent the way that most other progressive-elimination reality show tables are shown in WP, using colspan and light grey to "remove" them from the rest of the season. Should they come back for some reason, we'll fix it then. --Masem 13:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, should we really credit the guys with a win on the first dinner service. I mean Chef Ramsey did say there was no winner, merely that the girls were worse, but then again a losing team implies a winning team, so what do you all think about that? AISept8 18:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)AISept8
Basically, the guys weren't the losers that challenge. Given that we're trying to retain neutrality on WP, that effectively makes them the winners in that they didn't have to send off anyone from their team. This is in comparison to the time where Ramsey said both teams lost and had to nominate one of their own. If a different mechanic comes along this season, we may be able to reevaluate this but I'd say that yes, the guys "won" for purposes of WP factuality. --Masem 18:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay guys, I see that you have all thoughoughly anayzed and debated every single thing about the table(s), and thats good, but the problem was that NONE of the seasons use the same colour code!!!! They are all different! Why are the all chefs put in alphabetical order? Why not just make a red-team catagory on the top and a plain, simple, blue-team catagory on the bottom of the chart/tabling system? Wouldn't that be easier? Here, Bonnie-Tiffany on the top and Aaron-Vinnie on the bottom, or, visa versa? Sorry. But I don't know how to work the code for the table(s). Dark Observer 03:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I tried to fix the color issues today, but the order of the contestants is done the same way nearly every other in-progress reality TV show is done, with eliminated contestants in order at the bottom, and the rest in alphabetic order at the top as to so no favoritism to the remaining contestants. --Masem 03:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering with episode 308, is it best to cite Bonnie as BoW and Jen as LOSE, I mean was it considered a losing service? AISept8 00:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)AISept8

It's better now, but can someone please lowercase the words on the progress table? please? 130.13.125.225 02:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, guys, this is what you should do: make it lowercase, only use a Yellow for 'best of worst' (as bw instead of bow), Gray for 'out', red for 'losing teams' (put nothing in the box), and Blue for 'winning teams' (put nothing in the box). HOW SIMPLE IS THAT?! Michael Houang 06:50, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brad

I can't believe Brad wasn't smart enough to align with Josh and nominate Rock! I'm so upset to see him go.  :( Does anyone know if he has a blog or anything?

71.234.109.192rhetoric

Wikipedia is not a forum for discussion74.229.215.99 02:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I set that up as a possible "links to contestants" section. I was venting. Who said it was discussion? Geez.

[edit] Grammar: past or present tense?

When I was reading through and editing the episode summaries for grammar and clarity, I kept wanting to write in the present tense instead of all past tense, because many of the phrases sounded awkward that way. A few of them even had present tense verbs inadvertently sprinkled in, probably because it would sound so unnatural to speak these sentences out loud using the proper past tense grammar. Indeed, it should either be all one or the other, and it would be tedious work, but it seems so strange to read entire paragraphs in past tense.

When I got to Episode 6, I decided to edit it into the PRESENT tense, so that everyone could see how it reads differently. I think you'll agree that it seems more natural and is easier to read through. Also, if you look at the official FOX site recaps [1], you'll find they're all written in the present tense as well. 67.190.166.47 15:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I think you're right: WP's Manual of Style for writing fiction states that events should be present tense. Now, mind you, this is a reality TV show so it's not fiction, but given that the WP Television Project generally subscribes to this same MOS, I would say stick with the same approach. Notably, the WAF says that present tense helps the reader to experience the work as it is described, so I would say that applies here. --Masem 15:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episodes Chart

Are they really airing eleven episodes? OR Could that "not make it through dinner service" from the July 23 promo mean that a double boot is coming, with one leaving at dinner service, as promised and one leaving at the traditional ELIMINATION CEREMONY? User:ScottAHudson


[edit] Succeeded by Season 4

I've seen nothing to announce that there is GOING to be a season 4 of Hell's Kitchen listed on any of the pages. Shouldn't this be changed to TBA?

A search for contestants was announced tonight. Bunnygod888 04:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hell's Kitchen Trivia Section?

Is it worth creating a trivia / firsts section at all?

  • Josh was first contestant kicked out (and his jacket taken) DURING dinner service.
  • Aaron was second contestant forced to withdraw due to medical condition.
  • Hell's Kitchen opened once for breakfast in season 3 to serve 100 army and navy service personnel.
  • Melissa in Season 3 was NOT the first contestant to switch teams. Heather in season 2 was told to switch teams when the other team lost two members in a row and contest became extremely uneven.

and so on and so forth... ? -- Kschang77 14:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

No. Such items when notable (Josh's elim for example) should be incorporated into the episode descriptions but trivia sections with records like this are highly frowned upon (see WP:Trivia). Second-time events are non-notable (Aaron's leaving, or Melissa's switch). This is to help prevent trivia creep which easily happens with many reality TV show articles. --Masem 15:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode Summaries

What happened to the summaries? User:ScottAHudson

I added the information back, but something is not right in the formatting of it... Bunnygod888 04:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I went back and fixed the formatting. I also added a note in the HTML source code requesting editors to build consensus before deleting the recaps. Frankly they probably could do with some pruning but I don't think they should go entirely. Wl219 04:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm really in favor of ditching the bulk of the summaries. Since each ep is recapped at least in a couple of non-WP places (Fox, TWOP, etc.), I believe that either:
  1. We ditch the recap approach altogether, and leave key details (who got reward, who won/lost/BoW, nominated, and sent home, and a brief description of the challenge and dinner service "twist" should there be one.
  2. If the recaps are really necessary by consensus, I think it may be wise to consider either moving the recaps to a separate page or creating an episode page for each episode.
It's probably a good idea to see what the majority thinks, but personally, I think that trying to say too much will make it difficult to make this a GA/FA if we ever try to go there. --Masem 05:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should the spoilers be posted in the article?

Apparently there was a leak, and the winner is already revealed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.248.34 (talk • contribs)

I think it's fair to include that there was a betting scandal for this season that revealed the winner (there's an article somewhere for that, I think over at TWOP there's a link), but I would not spell out who won until after next week. --Masem 05:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Results

Why are the results there when it didn't even happen yet? This affects the show because I'm gonna tell everyone I know and no one is gonna watch the show!

Well if no one is going to watch the show, the only people to blame is FOX for having their staff pretty much spoiling it for the viewers, so don't blame yourself 69.115.122.235 02:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)AISept8

[edit] WINNER

Rock wins! -D14BL0 01:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I wanted Bonnie to win. :(

I believe this is for discussion and that language should be taken out....this isn't the page to disclose who you wanted to win or your feelings, but discussions on how the page should be fixed up and what stuff to be added
My bad , I'll respect that took it off Secondandonly 02:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I would say that while Rock wasn't liked by his team, they did respect him since they considered him much better than them. So Rock was able to command his guys effectively, which made up for their general incompetence (compared to the girls who were more competent but also more aspiring). In addition, Rock did learn to curb his temper and not be so uptight; furthermore he did make an attempt to motivate Josh instead of making him look bad alone. Lastly, save for Josh's crabcakes, the team otherwise didn't do anything wrong, which was amazing considering their past mediocre record. Perhaps, having loss most of the challeges (the most bitter pill to swollow was the lobster challenge) and the recent dinner services, the boys as a whole had something to prove and this was their last chance to do it.

For Bonnie, it was tough to manage as Jen and Julia were 3rd and 4th in the competition, and both had times where they though Bonnie was undeserving of the final two. Indeed, it was often Bonnie versus Jen/Julia, in a love-hate relationship, where there could be both jealousy as well as personal affection (Bonnie was in tears when Julia and Jen were eliminated, but Julia and Jen had frequently nominated Bonnie for elimination). While the four girls are generally more competent than the guys during this season, this was outweighed by their ego and regret; it seemed at times that that jealousy in Jen and Julia's case was a bigger factor than beating the guys. GoldDragon 17:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Folks, please remember that this is not a forum. The page is for discussing improvements to the article. Also, please remember to sign your comments with four ~ symbols. -- Kesh 20:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Team Color Coding

I think next season's page should use the team colors for the chef boxes. We can color them in on the day the show premieres after it airs? Here is an example: User:ScottAHudson/Hell'sKitchen(US-Season3)Test. User:ScottAHudson

[edit] Regurgitated Dog S***

I am not overly fond of swearing, but censoring it bothers me more. Was this aired censored this way? Is that enough of a reason to keep it censored? I've seen most of what little I've seen of HK on cable, where there's no censorship. --Steven Fisher (talk) 22:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

It aired censored and uncensored depending on where it aired. Sinde Wikipedia is not censored, I've changed it accordingly. — Edokter • Talk • 22:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Josh's Elimination Notes

Did he really say "You fucking useless sack of shit?" I saw the episode but can't remember. Stjimmy61892 21:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)