Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramtha's School of Enlightenment

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus (default keep). JERRY talk contribs 18:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ramtha's School of Enlightenment

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Unverifiable from reliable third-party sources. The only sources that this school exists are the school itself, which is notoriously unreliable. PouponOnToast (talk) 20:55, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete - clear failure to meet WP:V and WP:N. Springnuts (talk) 20:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep A central figure in the film What the Bleep Do We Know?!, which grossed over $10 million. There is also a Willamette Week cover story on the group, which I will produce shortly. Article cited. Also note the extensive coverage from Google News when searching for "Ramtha's School of Enlightenment". The organization is most certainly notable. VanTucky 01:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable school from a notable personality in New Age spirituality. --Nealparr (talk to me) 19:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete for lack of verifiabity and reliable sources. The "extensive coverage" in Google News consists of exactly 5 news stories in which the school is mentioned by name, for identification of JZ Knight; none are actually about the school itself, and all are about an unrelated zoning dispute. The Willamette Week story contains 2 paragraphs about the school in a feature about Ramtha. Merely because Ramtha is notable does not mean the school is. --MCB (talk) 08:16, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, sufficient non-trivial coverage in reliable secondary sources to meet WP:CORP requirements per above source and others. Dreadstar † 09:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge to What the Bleep Do We Know?!, which appears notable. The only reliable source I saw in the references for this article was the article in Willamette Week, which is a solid and extended discussion of the movie and a much briefer account of Ramtha's School. Most of the links under External Links seem inappropriate, and I see that section is already tagged. Since there is so little material that can be solidly sourced, and since the Ramtha ideas appear central to the movie, it should be no problem to merge across whatever is important into the movie's article. EdJohnston (talk) 04:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Refs consist of one minor newspaper and some websites. Non-notable. NBeale (talk) 17:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.